spending, you know, let's get the deficit down, in other words, the gop has opportunities. it is the same old democratic party, katie, i don't see why the gop can't come back with the pro growth fiscally responsible message. >> i hate to break it to you, but republicans have been doing that for two years now. paul ryan has been beating the drum of entitlement reform for a long time. he's been demonized, and they've been running ads of him throwing grandma off the cliff. >> when's ryan making his comeback? when does marco rubio make his comeback? when do all of these fine governors make their comeback? i mean the republicans have a pretty deep bench. >> part of the calculation that i think conservatives and republicans are missing is that in this conversation, when we talk about a balanced approach, most -- a majority of middle class people, which is why 76% of americans are for taxing the rich, most americans have seen their defined benefits go down, their pensions decrease. so from their perspective and their wages have been stagnant at the same time -- hold on. >> whose f